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I guess a clarification is in order. First, I respect [...]

Brantford, Ontario
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I guess a clarification is in order. First, I respect and understand the movement, and it's roots. First, from Dolores Cannon in two other advanced civilizations represented, one used a system of trade or barter, but no money, another used a system similar to this one, where a person could walk into a store, and take what they need. But, in order for System II (described here as UBUNTU) to work, there has to be a minimal critical number of people for it to work. That is, a certain number of people need to contribute into the system, in a defined fashion. That means there has to be a jump from the current system to the new system. Any thoughts on this?
Could be the hundredth monkey effect. :)
Wednesday 11 May 2016, 10:02:29
I am thinking maybe twelve. Included here is a list of pages I have so far. I am tackling this as a programming problem. Makes it a lot easier! (to me at least):…. I've taken out the word "Ubuntu" in the link and titles to respect the distinction between the official platform, and derivatives. A suggested equation is under the link: "Framework Equation".
Thursday 12 May 2016, 19:20:16
Hi Clarence B - Kudos to you for producing something that people can discuss on this topic! Your "papers" seem to be suited to serve as valuable entries for a discussion on the many challenges for a transition. Topics I see arising from them are the "degree of human schematics", how predictable or non-programmable human behaviour is, how much technology is playing into it all, and how to identify cross-roads in the development. And more. We both live in highly "developed" (heavy energy footprint) western nations, and the existing financial regime is highly integrated into the psyche of the community. To manage these communities our governments have extensively quantified behaviour, by statistics (re your background), by geographical planning (re my own background), and it certainly is a question if there is a limit to such measuring. I feel that there is, and that it has since long been transgressed - somehow. I like David Talbott’s emphasis on the spiritual foundations of man/woman/life, and I find that the really motivating parts of the transition we talk about, are actually the non-measurable - or quality - aspects of life. However, this does not dismiss the perspectives in your papers, because they brilliantly phrase the direction of our walk, and some of our challenges. :)
Thursday 12 May 2016, 22:23:49
Jo. Thanks. I have only a B.A., but have had to work hard for what I know. If it can be of help, great. I am actually into the implementation phase (of necessity), and have just come up with a (hair brained?) scheme, which I will make a new post. Am starting at the opposite end of a community, and trying to come up with something that an individual could actually do, that might work. So here goes...

Friday 13 May 2016, 20:24:28
Clarence, Our educations shaped us into what we are, which is our best entry-points into the future no matter how that shaping occured. We learn what we need to learn while walking the path. Our educational institutions and constructions have almost zilch on how UBUNTU works, which makes us all experts and entrepreneurs, if we only dare to step up on the plate. I am really curious to what "the opposite end of a community" is, as my own perception of duality tells me that you are actually talking about the individual in philosophical terms here. How exciting! That is surely UBUNTU; the individual is the foundation of the community, and only by acknowledging the individuality of another can a stable and lasting community grow forth.
Saturday 14 May 2016, 10:01:49
Hey, thanks Jo, for the encouragement. Hope things are going well for you. It is windy here now, and almost cold. Unusual for mid-May here. Have you read Biomimicry, by Janine Benyus? I was going through that again this afternoon. Very inspirational. I would be interested in hearing more about geographical planning. That is definitely needed. Are there any good books or authors you would recommend?
Monday 16 May 2016, 00:27:23
I'm doing fine, thank you! The same well-wishes are sent in return there. Fortunately, change is the rule in nature, not the exception; it's been a cold May here too, so far, but nature seems well on its way for another season of abundance. With the overwhelming diversity upon earth, we are indeed fortunate to learn how different challenges have been met by different species. I have never heard about Janine Benyus before, and had a look at a TED-talk she gave on YouTube, and it seems that this is a chief inspiration for her as well. Thank you for the recommendation! :)

Mr. Geoffrey West, the editor of Cosmic Vision News ( ), presents a brilliant example of thinking in geographical urban planning. In his final words of the broadcast for May 13th 2016, he proposes a particular approach for rebuilding Fort McMurray after the recent fires. Also, his perspectives in contemporary matters of peace are really worth listening to.

In urban geography too much emphasis has been put into categorizing people into groups, I feel. Many social sciences fall into this trap. It's a convenient administrative tool, admittedly, but it also fails blatantly while shaping our sense of what is "normal" or not. Usually in disciplines leaning on statistics (such as geography), one establishes groups of people by describing their adherence within some standard deviation of some kind. But without a deviation, one couldn't have established the group in the first place. And when people are not exactly square normal, they so easily "fall out" from consideration. This affects many aspects of the community, and an example may be our cultural borders, which in some respects are very important for the stability of the community. But if too rigid, they can play havoc on the individuals. There is always a need for balance between a community approach, which lends itself readily for planning, and the individual approach, which leans more on personal skills in communication and experience. And the "Elders Councils" mentioned by Tellinger may keep this latter perspective intact, I feel. It is very exciting to observe how this will play out in the UBUNTU movement.

Tuesday 17 May 2016, 19:03:16
Interesting, Jo. (1) I had made a diagram of a city a number of years ago where every other block was turned into garden. I like the idea of concentric circles better, with services, etc. at the core. (2) my best friends Dad ended up working for Ag Can and was quite interested in hemp. I didn't know it was that versatile. Thanks for the info.
Wednesday 18 May 2016, 00:39:58
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