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So,... with all due respect.... what happened to the free [...]


Peterborough, Ontario
via Ubuntu Planet
So,... with all due respect.... what happened to the free energy guy? (https://ubuntuplanet.org/profi…). He came on strong, wanted to start a global free energy movement, and then disappeared.

One of the things I respect about the Farmbot development (farmbot.io) is that it is very transparent and easy to see what is going on. Just try logging on and ask to receive updates about the software development. Transparency leads to trust and also helps with accountability. Hubstaff (https://hubstaff.com/) also employs transparent accounting. They tell how much they make. That is kind of cool.

Michael T asked (and still asks on the front page of this site) for donations. On the Ubuntu Vermont website (http://www.ubuntuvt.org/), when I checked last year, it explained what they were doing and were also asking for donations, yet now that website is inactive. What is going on here? I log on regularly, see new people coming on this site, all excited, yet also see people drop out. Where is SkyDancer? I communicated with her before the American Thanksgiving, she said she was going to visit her family, ... and then nothing. Is she o.k.? Did something happen? I don't know.

That is the advantage of staying for the long haul. One gets to see trends. For example, there are a lot of total members on this website. But how many are active? Do the people on the management team log on regularly? I see that some don't. Is that a commitment that ought to be made? That is what this website is here for.

Also, what are the demographics on this site? I am guessing the mean age to be somewhere around 30. It would be great to have more people who are older, and therefore have more experience. They would bring a different perspective.

Anyways, just some observations. Let me know what you think (some of you old timers), if I am on the right track or not.

Thanks.
Mat Dowle
Totally agree... having observed from the beginning (of this website) I see people come with great ideas and enthusiasm and then disappear again a few months later. Any ideas how we can keep people engaged on here would be very welcome.
Monday 6 February 2017, 10:15:53
cbos
Thanks Mat! Didn't expect that response. List active members only, with an option to display all? That has to do with human behaviour, not programming, though. It has to come from the person and there has to be an incentive to stay with a project for the long haul. Money is typically an incentive, but we are discouraging the use of that. Not much of an answer, sorry.
Monday 6 February 2017, 12:01:37
[deleted user]
Lee Walsh set this up specifically to address this aspect of commitment & consistency, https://ubuntuplanet.org/circl… It's UK orientated, but it could be global.
Monday 6 February 2017, 15:10:49
Nic G
Studies say people nowadays are hooked to direct gratification (younger people), maybe they come here because they like the idea, but get bored because they don't see an actual small town... Older people, I have no clue... Maybe disbelief in all possible systems, or simply don't like computers! That doesn't help too, sorry...
Monday 6 February 2017, 15:29:48
Deleted User
Clarence NOTHING gets past you. <3
Monday 6 February 2017, 15:30:37
Deleted User
I also have issues about people being HERDED into fundraisers
Monday 6 February 2017, 15:31:44
Michael E. V. Knight
Like many things a lot of people may be INTERESTED in something, few are COMMITTED to achieving it. As a child my friend said he wanted to learn to play the drums, his parents bought him a drum set for xmas. He took a few lessons, played for a few weeks then quit. He thought he was just going to do that a few times and become a rock star. Not willing to COMMIT to 2-4 hours a day of lessons and practice he quit playing.

There is no straight line to success. People see Michael Tellinger videos, like the idea, join here, look around, do not see any Ubuntu communities actually up and running, so they say to themselves this will never happen and go away.

US President John Kennedy once said - ask not what your country can do for you, ask what can I DO for my country? Same with Ubuntu Contributionism. People should not come here asking when is Michael Tellinger going to start a Ubuntu Community i can move to, they need to ask how can I start a local Ubuntu Contributionism group so we can start the domino effect and develop Ubuntu Contributionism all over the world?

Most of what is needed to get started can be found in the Ubuntu videos at PeopleDoEverything.com

There are more ideas in this post i wrote, where it says RBE think UBUNTU:

https://facebook.com/groups/…

The foundation of Ubuntu Contributionism is working TOGETHER and SHARING. We do not even need to talk about a no money world, politics, illuminati etc., we can just ask people if they would like to save money and eventually only need to work/help out the local community 3 hours a week and have ALL their needs met. If they say yes, start working TOGETHER and SHARING.

The Ubuntu Contributionism plan is SIMPLE to do, we just need to DO it. The first part of the DO is finding other local people to actually work TOGETHER and SHARE with. This means we need to talk to people about the idea constantly, and sharing videos/posts about Ubuntu on all our social media outlets. Follow me on FaceBook, this is pretty much all i post about. Share the posts i write so others will start to get the MINDSET change needed to both WANT and DO the Ubuntu Contributionism lifestyle.

Even this does not guaranty success, but with enough of us DOING this, eventually one or more small towns will have people working TOGETHER and SHARING towards an UBUNTU world.

It would be great if just 50 like minded, serious about Ubuntu people were able to move to just one small town in each country to start this. Like Michael Tellinger has said the money BEAST has it's claws and chains so tight on us it is hard to do this. In order to do this the people moving there would need an income to pay living expenses until the Ubuntu co-ops are profitable enough for them not to need a job.


Finding jobs in small towns is not always easy. This would be great for active, healthy seniors with retirement income coming in from either social security or a pension, or investment income. Would also be possible for someone that works from their computer and can live anywhere and still make enough money to pay their bills.

The other chain is not wanting or able to leave family and friends to get a small town started.

But for people ready, willing and able to move, we/they need to start talking with each other. Here in the US a couple of my FB friends have a tiny group started in SouthWest Colorado. They would love to have serious, like minded, ready, willing and financially able people move there to help them grow their group.

They just bought a small apartment house that needs rehab that some members could eventually live in (still needing to pay rent since they have a loan that needs to be repaid).

One member about 3 hours from them has some land for greenhouses. He is in a small town of around 500 people so 49 more adults moving there or nearby would be 10% of the towns population. Ubuntu could grow quickly there.

My niece said to me a few months ago it's hard to find a good person to date. i said to her in order to find a good person YOU need to first be a good person. Same with Ubuntu. i hear many stories of people moving somewhere saying they want to help, they get there, work a few weeks, then stop helping and sit around and drink and smoke all day, eventually having the host ask them to leave.

To have UBUNTU we need to LIVE UBUNTU every day in every way. We need to change our mindsets from ME ME ME to WE WE WE. From COMPETITION to COOPERATION. It may sound like i am preaching to the choir here but like i just mentioned above, those people that moved and eventually stopped helping said they were members of the choir. Obviously in the wrong church.

ONE SMALL TOWN, that's all it takes to get the dominoes starting to fall in surrounding towns, causing them to need then follow the Ubuntu Contributionism Lifestyle. Causing towns further out to then need then follow... until the whole human population is living the Ubuntu Contributionism lifestyle.

Let's get this done!
Monday 6 February 2017, 16:17:33
[deleted user]
"In order to do this the people moving there would need an income to pay living expenses until the Ubuntu co-ops are profitable enough for them not to need a job". . . . . . . .got that covered.
Meanwhile Ubuntu, according to Mr. Tellinger, is no more about we we we than it is me me me. It needs to be workable everywhere, slowly hollowing out that which it seeks to replace. It should not be necessary to relocate to an Ubuntu community.
Monday 6 February 2017, 17:17:04
Deleted User
I like the practical ideas ... but not the long spams smells like a scam. Wham Bam
Monday 6 February 2017, 18:42:22
cbos
Wow! What a response! But, practically, according to the book, we are all ... free and equal. If one can ask for funds, that means all should be able to, right? And if we ask and receive (and are a charitable organization in Canada), then we should also report, should we not? The Vermont group raised $500,000! That's not chump change. What happened there. Why is their site defunct after less than half a year, and how can a group move on to a town of 4,000 to 7,000 if it can't handle a site of 150 acres. The spiritual principle is to graduate from the small to the big. That isn't happening here.
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 01:09:51
Deleted User
If you speak out you are gagged Michael Tellinger OWNS UBUNTU = that is dividing people
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 06:16:56
Deleted User
They all inactive users now on ubuntulanet.rg - no one will speak out
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 06:19:06
[deleted user]
ubuntu
ʊˈbʊntʊ/
noun SOUTH AFRICAN
'a quality that includes the essential human virtues; compassion and humanity'.
It's a philosophy. No one person can own that, Michael Tellinger owns a logo.
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 08:33:41
Drea
Greetings cbos, nice to meet u. I understand & witness ur concerns. I’m Drea the new UK national coordinator and as I just mentioned to Michael E V Knight we are at the very beginnings of this movements latest evolutionary leap & we are in the process of putting in the groundwork to address the issues u have mentioned.
I am currently designing a global system of support, training & communication which will be tied into our new global website & database. This system will give everyone guidance and support on how to start meet up circles & start various types of community projects & promotional events and will really help to grow our family & keep everyone engaged & communicating with each other.
I cant answer ur questions re funding & the Vermont site but what I can say is, hopefully this week, we will be launching the new global website & then all countries will have their own website feeding from this, that will share the same layout and general information with country specific data, so soon we will all be singing from the same song sheet & things will become a lot clearer all round.

I look forward to watching UBUNTU’s coming accelerated evolution with u.
Much love Dx
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 09:34:43
Deleted User
Im guessing the new website will be easy to edit electronically and existing members will be further alienated because they know too much ... Drea be careful of becoming part of the problem. I have put in a lot of hard work and been excluded the same could happen to you ... and I'm not the only one.
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 10:35:29
Michael E. V. Knight
"It should not be necessary to relocate to an Ubuntu community." - i agree, but in the last 7+ years i have been promoting a no money world, including the last 3 with Ubuntu, there has yet to be one small town started because it is hard for supporters to find others that actually want to do this in their town. In the last 7+ years i have easily spoken to over 700 people locally about this, every one of them said sounds good but will never work. Of course if WE do NOT work on something it will never happen. If i say i want to start a business, a restaurant, but never do anything towards opening that restaurant, that restaurant will never get off the ground. Same with Ubuntu.
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 20:10:38
Michael E. V. Knight
Michael Tellinger does not own UBUNTU
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 20:11:11
cbos
Just for the record, I was a little confused when I saw the word "UBUNTU" appearing in all capital letters. Doesn't he also in his book talk about the evils of corporations and how we also are created as mini corporations at birth by having are names spelled in all caps? Then Ubuntu is spelled in all caps. Confusing.
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 21:21:43
cbos
ok, now I am starting to get a little peeved and worried. This link (https://ubuntuplanet.org/wp/…) show that the wp account where all the news has been is "suspended". Hello! That is a WordPress site and the screensplash doesn't get there like that unless it has been specifically put there. That is not default WordPress.

So... let's go back a little to this post (https://followingworldchange.wordpress.com/…) which I assume was the same text, different site. It mentions two names. Michael Sunseri and Lisa Hays. They conveniently show up at just the right moment to help Michael T. out. All is fine and dandy. You can read the glowing comments. Except for one thing. Michael Sunseri was an infiltrator. Perhaps Lisa Hays should be checked out as well.

They passed by Michael Ts. background check with flying colors. Micheal Sunseri resigned last April, according to a message from another member from this site.

What does that show you?

Money may be the least of our worries.

The deception is subtle and multi-layered. I am almost ready to argue that it was the "twist" that changed the good reasons for using money and took them all away. Interest free money was taken away. Interest was added. The use of the word "silver" was taken away (check the Old Testament), the word "money" was added.

So... the challenge, or perhaps the first level is not even the community. It is recognizing the sublety of the "twist". Taking something that is good and making it into something it isn't.

I think it would be great if someone called Michael T up and reminded him that "This is where we manifest the living Ubuntu philosophy" is on the front page of this site with his picture on it. Check his account and see if it is active (it wasn't when I checked it last). Check Starr M.'s account and see if it is active (it wasn't when I checked it last.)

When people make a decision to go into leadership and set a direction, they are expected to stay at the helm. This "boat", in part at least, was built because of and for him. And now the captain is absent.

Thank you.
Tuesday 7 February 2017, 23:18:17
Deleted User
Nothing gets past Clarence he is onto you guys
Wednesday 8 February 2017, 08:50:39
Deleted User
Clarence please try to contact QBA for a full objective story
Wednesday 8 February 2017, 08:51:32
Mat Dowle
For the record, the "suspended" message on the WordPress content is because the WordPress installation was taking all the server resources (either because of a targeted attack or a problem with the WordPress installation). I had to suspend the hosting account in order to prevent it taking down the whole server... still trying to resolve the problem.
Wednesday 8 February 2017, 15:19:45
cbos
Thank you Mat. Here is a story that was just brought to my attention. I post it here in it's entirety, from this link (https://facebook.com/notes/…). This person states she is a first hand witness, mentions a gag order and provides a phone number. Please feel free to check for yourself and contradict this if it is wrong. Thank you.

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MR. TELLINGTALES
Melani Vermay·Tuesday, January 17, 2017
Dear Sirs and Madams, please feel free to be advised that the following is the Truth, The whole Truth and nothing but the Truth, so help me God. After watching videos on Ubuntu and Contributionism, I joined the Ubuntu Liberation Movement in 2015 and moved up to Waterval Boven to become a volunteer for Ubuntu in January 2016. As a volunteer at the Ubuntu Village with Michael Tellinger I very quickly found out that the property is actually called "The Stone Circle" and it is a PRIVATE PROPERTY, which belongs to Michael Tellinger. In very short order it became clear to me that there is NO UBUNTU VILLAGE, there is NO Self-Sustaining systems, No Bakery, giving away daily bread, No Fish Farm delivering free fish nor any terraced and landscaped gardens. For the last plus/minus 5 years MJT has been collecting Donations under the pretense of feeding the masses and uplifting the world. Sadly he is only uplifting himself and his ego-driven appetite for consumption. Where have the millions of Rands worth of donations gone? Last year Millions of Rands were raised but less than R9000.00 was spent on Soup Kitchens, I paid for almost all of them myself.
The following is a list of new purchases Mr. Micheal Tellinger has made, which I personally witnessed, within the last year: A Gold coloured Jeep 4x4, a white Toyota Rav 4x4(they were purchased to promote his Stone Circle buisness), new driveway at Michaels house, newly refurbished cottage at Michaels house, 6x Ensuite Cottages being built at Stone Circle Bistro, new Museum being built at Stone Circle Bistro, New furniture(complete) at Stone Circle Bistro, Stone Circle Bistro completely repainted(entire property all around), New JoJo Water Tanks at Stone Circle Bistro and I could go on until nauseam. The vast majority of ALL Ubuntu Donations collected, for the entire year of 2016, where spent on Stone Circle Bistro(his private property) and his Private House.
The remainder of the World's Donations to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu Liberation Movement were consumed by Michael Tellinger, in his personally capacity, with the funds being used to pay for his 4 - 5 Star accommodation and various other Luxuries. He has already spent thousands of Rands at Woolworths(just in January 2017) this month and it is only the 13th today of the month. While the local people suffer and go to bed hungry this fat old white jerk(who was not even born in South Afrika) is "Eating The Money!" Fat old white foreign jerks have been stealing from Afrika for years so this is nothing new. However, these monies are being collected under false pretenses and the MONIES ARE NOT GOING TO CHARITY! They are being consumed by his ego-driven, greed and lust fueled appetite for self-aggrandizement. This is a Cult and it is a Crime. I still live in Waterval Boven and I still feed the children here at my gate. They come here because for a about a year I was the one funding the Soup Kitchens (which Michael Tellinger cancelled after the elections, August 3rd – 4th. Why? Unless feeding people was never the goal here). I also personally sponsored various other charities.
If You would like to help Stop The Crime, then please feel free to contact me. Mr. Tellinger is being sponsored to go around the world telling people how to live, while he acts like one of the people that he speaks out against. There is more, much more, all of which I have ALL the evidence, the excel spreadsheets, the accounting and the eye-witness reports. Ubuntu is not Stealing from the poor to give to the rich. Please help to stop Mr. Tellinger’s crimes and abuse of Ubuntu Funds and Donations meant for Waterval Boven’s Upliftment Projects. If You would like to speak my number is +27-83-226-8660, mailing address is P.O. Box 333, Waterval Boven, Mpumalanga, South Afrika. Thank-You, for this Opportunity to Be of Service. Love and Light!! GodBless The Journeyil
Yours In Faith,

(name removed due to Michael Tellinger putting a gag order on the author of this note)
Wednesday 8 February 2017, 16:58:08
Nic G
"Do what I say, not what I do"...
Wednesday 8 February 2017, 17:07:01
Deleted User
FYI guys this the new link they are pimping http://journeys.ubuntuplanet.org/…
Wednesday 8 February 2017, 19:42:55
cbos
May I remind people that there may be a legal case here. First, the SpacePhone site indicates some had not received their phone. Second, the above post indicates misappropriated funds, obtained globally. No report of funds received has been issued, to my knowledge. Screenshots have been taken. This will be watched.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 00:41:09
Deleted User
He is being investigated for the fundraising fraud.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 05:10:19
Nic G
At least there is an investigation going on. It is strange for a movement with more than 10 years to have practically nothing to show...
Thursday 9 February 2017, 11:54:31
Deleted User
LOL Nic G - yes well if you think he changes it all the time so people don't twig on quickly. First its campaign, then its a phone, then its a youth movement. He has blocked me from commenting so I'm slowing the list of people who have been gagged. Im in the process of a complaint now with the fundraising OMBUDSMAN here in RSA because he has blocked from commenting on FBook so I have to go to the next level. Only way I can protect others.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 12:11:38
Nic G
I hope the ideal doesn't get killed in this mess.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 12:20:28
Deleted User
Its pretty much dead in the water anyway due to his activities so ... I'm taking legal action.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 12:22:38
Nic G
doesn't look that way, people are doing different projects in ubuntu style, with little funds raised by them or locally achieved, kind of like you are doing. I don't think it is dead. He is not the founder of UBUNTU, the ideal already existed and hopefully will go on with some scars.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 12:29:04
Deleted User
I hope so friend - thank you for your kind words. Im a bit deflated at the moment fighting is not my thing. I'm a farmgirl
Thursday 9 February 2017, 12:35:17
Nic G
It's normal to be down, this is terrible! I don't believe you don't have strength, most farmers are fighters, always having to adjust their moves with the weather, the soil, the water, plagues, (you name it...) and always coming back with something to put on the table. If that's not fighting, than what is?
Thursday 9 February 2017, 12:45:55
Deleted User
I know Nic G you are right but I just want a peaceful life and grow things and love other people. Im not meant for this world we live in.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 12:55:22
Drea
I know Michael well & have watched his tireless efforts to create this movement in the hope of empowering us all... he has spent all his personal funds on this and projects in his own home town & has to push to sell books & get paid for talks to try and survive... he is on the front line giving everything he has... this much I and the many management team members around the globe that visit & speak with him regularly are 100% sure off. There is however a real effort by others, it would seem that includes you Janet (if that’s ur name) to discredit him & weaken our movement…I can personally vouch that Michael is the compassionate, caring & altruistic individual he seems to be in his videos and he was very upset to hear these false allegations being made about him after all his tireless hard work. I know personally of his struggles to keep old broken down vehicles on the road so I’m not sure where this high life is being seen… its absolute BS to bring down a light worker - Janet ur energy does not come from service to others & I believe u are here with ill intent & shall report u as such, & I am happy to reveal ur energy by posting the dark toned P.M u just sent me accusing me of being complicit in fraud & actually threatening me with legal action...please be reminded that libel is also a crime… a crime u are now guilty of as witnessed by a large family of people who love & support Michael & this movement….wishing u love light & the healing you obviously need.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 14:02:07
Deleted User
LOL time for that good old screenshot. Im not scared of you or Michael Tellinger. Ive done nothing wrong I've only told the truth. Lightworker se moer man. I have LOTS of screenshots and witnesses. You can't gag them all. Even Clarence in the USA can see through your K*K
Thursday 9 February 2017, 14:06:09
Deleted User
Technically the False light law protects my freedom of speech. Andrea see your aggressive attitude is generally indicative of a someone who it actually knows they are wrong. Did you check Michael car break down via Skype in the UK? He spends all his personal funds on Woolies by the looks of things. Where is the love and UBUNTU sister. All I asked as that you confirm your full real name.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 14:23:54
Nic G
I don't really know if he is or not a fraud, but I will not put my hands on fire for someone who I don't know just because he says something that seems good; he is a man, so he can be lured by corruption, as anyone of us can. Just looking a nice guy isn't enough to prove their good will, look at all the reports on serial killers and pedophiles, their neighbors always say "he was such a nice man, I would never tell". If he is being investigated and he has nothing to hide, than he has nothing to fear.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 15:08:20
Deleted User
Take it away NicG well said mate. Its supposed to be free fair and transparent. Otherwise its not UBUNTU.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 15:18:21
cbos
Please no flame wars. I have checked out Ubuntu Vermont, Bolton, with screenshots. Where is the Ubuntu owned property? Both the ski resort and Lotus Lodge sites appear to be fully functional with no mention of anything Ubuntu. This can be checked out online with Google Maps, satellite view, even a web cam.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 18:12:51
cbos
Drea, You said above: "I am currently designing a global system of support, training & communication which will be tied into our new global website & database. This system will give everyone guidance and support on how to start meet up circles & start various types of community projects & promotional events and will really help to grow our family & keep everyone engaged & communicating with each other." What you describe is this site. How will the one you propose be different?
Thursday 9 February 2017, 18:16:29
Deleted User
Neisha was part of that in the beginning and then didn't go
Thursday 9 February 2017, 18:24:30
cbos
Part of... the ski resort and lodge? or the global system.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 18:26:36
Deleted User
I don't know she is on my FBook I will ask her.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 18:44:57
Deleted User
Ashville UBUNTU village. Do you remember there was a banner post for a wee while that had his face and Bolton Vermont on it. Then NOTHING. They had a website gone.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 18:47:51
cbos
perhaps it is time to start a new thread?
Thursday 9 February 2017, 19:12:45
Deleted User
My problem with that is the newcomers need help to get to people in their area. The website is genius. But I don't like it that I feel new people are getting hooked into donating. It should be to buy books or donate finished. I feel like some users are not pushing UBUNTU they are pushing for money. Its in poor taste and not very UBUNTU at all. The whole thing is dividing people more and more. Money must be OUT
Thursday 9 February 2017, 19:31:21
Deleted User
Like Jesus lost his temper and threw the bansktas out. Out forget about it People do everything.. unless you have a farmbot
Thursday 9 February 2017, 19:33:07
cbos
Janet, I will message you with a link to a document I am working on. It is over 150 pages. I also made a list of every possible thing I could think of that a person would need while living in community. That is there as well.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 19:34:41
cbos
Here is some further information just found. It is from a forensic investigation instigated by author Johan Engelbrecht into the accounting practices of Zulu Publishers (some might be familiar with it as it is the publisher of at least some of Michael's books.) ICA Consulting is listed in the header of the document (link below). After reading through a few pages of this document, I came to this:

"We therefore reconstructed the Profit and Loss statement, taking into account the adjusted sales figures (calculated at the retail price) as well as the agreed or adjusted expenses. According to our calculations, as reflected in the Profit and Loss statement, the net income should be R221 778.80. Engelbrecht is therefore entitled to R110 889.40."

Just a few paragraphs earlier was this:

"According to Zulu Planet the sales of the award winning book Kaffertjie only generated a net income of R10 924.19 after a three year period. According to the agreement, Engelbrecht is entitled to 50% thereof, ie R5 462.09."

That is a difference of: R110,427.31.

(Source: https://jhaines6.files.wordpress.com/…)

This information supports the information provided earlier in this thread by a person claiming they were a first hand witness.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 20:34:57
cbos
Finally, here is some work I did from last night. Please feel free to verify these facts. Also, a review I did from a search using this link (https://ubuntuplanet.org/searc…), reveals quite a bit of excitement about this project. It is very odd that it would disappear off the radar, only to be replaced by the "One Small Town" initiative.

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Both Lotus Lodge (http://www.lotuslodgevt.com) at 4010 Bolton Valley Access Rd. and the Ski Resort just down the road at 4302 Bolton Valley Access Rd. appear to be fully functional. Here is a webcam for the ski resort (http://boltonvalley.com/webcam…). Nice site. No mention of Ubuntu. The Ubuntu Vermont Bolton Circle (https://ubuntuplanet.org/circl…) has the latest post dated four months ago (screenshot taken). The link pointing to the generosity.com site (https://generosity.com/communi…) indicates $15,325 USD was raised in 8 months (screenshot taken). The campaign is still open. As I clearly recall the amount was raised, the campaign should be closed. It is not.

Many of the donors are for small amounts and have nonsensical names. Is the money received if the campaign is not closed? I don't know. What does Indiegogo (a major site) do if a claim is made the funds were not used as specified? I don't know. Perhaps someone would like to look into this.

Oh, yes, and for a modest gift of $333 the donor can stay one night free at the beautiful Lotus Lodge in Bolton Valley, VT (screenshot taken).

Is that enough information? Please feel free to verify these facts. This appears to be a global phenomena.

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Note:

Please also feel free to check out the activity status of those who had posted or responded to this. Not all of them are still active and posting on this site (i.e. they appeared to be quite excited about this, posted a lot, and then haven't posted for quite some time).

This will be the last post I will make in this thread. I feel this is sufficient information for anyone wishing to look into this for themselves.
Thursday 9 February 2017, 22:01:24
cbos
I have confirmed that the Zulu Planet Publishers address (mentioned above and the publishers of the two books I checked, Blueprint and Slave Species), and Michael Tellinger's address point to the same location. This means, essentially, that Michael Tellinger "self published" these two books. That is not quite accurate. It would be more accurate to say that, in addition to all of his other activities, he also has the same mailing address for both himself and a publishing company. Both of these addresses are publically available.

The strange thing is, I don't recall that distinction being made clear. How well is this publishing company doing, and if the checks are mailed there, does he really need all the extra funds provided by donations, etc.?

For further information, please see: https://ubuntucontributionismreview.wordpress.com/….
Saturday 11 February 2017, 23:37:45
Rebecca G
Thanks cbos... Bolton Valley is on the back burner and as such we don't talk about it much... as with almost everything else in life, Ubuntu is an evolutionary journey... we do get really excited about things and think they are going to unfold in a particular way... and then they don't.
What we are learning from all of this is to speak in more fluid terms... we are following the energy of this movement and when we are listening fully, the Universe is guiding.
Some exciting news on the Science & Technology front... Ed Becnel is returning to the Ambassador role... at least in this Now moment.. ;)
Thanks for paying attention and keeping us on track. And thank you for your support of Ubuntu philosophies.
In Unity, Resonance and deep Gratitude
Rebecca
Monday 13 February 2017, 04:03:55
Deleted User
O wow thanks Rebecca G for getting back to us. We started to think the project was a scam. Like everything else.
Monday 13 February 2017, 04:46:39
Rebecca G
Hi Janet, not sure what you mean by "Like everything else." I can assure you, that everyone on the USA team is not working on a giant scam... unless by scam you mean changing the paradigm... I will cop to that in heartbeat. Shifting consciousness and changing how we are in the world is why I am here. Everything else is just distraction.
Monday 13 February 2017, 12:43:34
Michael E. V. Knight
Nic G The Venus Project has been around for decades and still has very little to show. All we/they can do is spread the info. It's up to people to DO what is required to help make it succeed. This is true of any/all efforts/movements/ideas
Monday 13 February 2017, 16:29:48
Michael E. V. Knight
Michael has no control over what happens locally. Whatever happens/is happening/doesn't happen in Vermont (or anywhere else) is up to the people there that raised there hands and said we are going to start an Ubuntu town here.

From what i know the Vermont people want to buy land and build sort of an eco village there, living the Ubuntu lifestyle. This is the hardest way to get Ubutnu going. MT has said over and over start right where you are (if you can). If you can't find other local people interested in joining you, then all you can do is keep talking to people and sharing the Ubuntu idea on the net, hopefully someone in another area will see your posts, like the idea, and be able to move it forward like Frank in Walsenburg, Colorado (US) is doing.

Not controlling growth like corporations do, has it's negative side effects. If a local ubuntu project starts then fizzles out, that does not make MT or the Ubuntu idea wrong/bad, just means the people locally were not able to get it done.

Michael Tellinger "backs" a lot of horses (people raising there hands saying i am starting a local ubuntu community) , not every horse will finish the race or win.

We can't let startups that are not successful make us give up on the dream. Jacque Fresco of the Venus Project has been at this type of work over 70 years and we still don't have a no money world, BUT we are a lot closer than we were 70 years ago thanks to the internet.

i do not know nor have i heard anything about Vermont since i went there to meet MT last October.

Don't let this stop you/us from moving forward where we are. We are planting a lot of thought seeds globally, some are slowly starting to sprout like Frank in Colorado. Once we have that one small town up and running the world WILL start to change quickly. It always seems IMPOSSIBLE until it's DONE. Then others will believe it's possible and work harder to achieve it locally. Just like they said no human could run a 4 minute mile, once the first person did it, others were also able to do it.

Let's get this done!!!
Monday 13 February 2017, 16:50:40
Michael E. V. Knight
Jesus also took donations, EVEN from POOR people:

The Widow’s Offering

41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

As long as we are ENSLAVED in this fake, fraud, lie, scam, con job, free range economic SLAVE control money system, we will need to use some money to get things done. To start locally we can start without money, just talk to others, share the videos etc.. This is how Frank in Colorado got started. Now he has a small boarding house that needs repairs, this requires money for materials, if he can't find people with building skills to join him he will have to pay workers to get the work done. Utilities will have to be paid for. This is the reality we live in. Pretty much every one of us is paying a mortgage/rent, property taxes, heat, electric bills etc.. None of the providers are doing this for free, they all want MONEY.

It's also the reason we need to sell 2/3 of what we make/grow, to raise money to pay bills, just like any other business does. Once we no longer are ENSLAVED by the money system, we can cut back to just the 1/3 we need for our local community, with maybe a little extra from EVERY town growing food, in case something happens in another town(s) like a massive storm that destroys their crops etc..
Monday 13 February 2017, 17:08:53
Deleted User
Well you can justify it anyway you want to. I just see it as stealing from the poor. Its disgusting.
Monday 13 February 2017, 19:20:00
Nic G
Sorry Michael E. V. Knight, I just don't believe in putting money in something I can't see a result. When I gave money to buy mattresses for some kids, the person took a picture in the house with all the beds, so I know they used it for what it was intended. In this case, somebody says it's for management of the site, etc, I can never tell, I just have to rely on the word of people I don't know and in good faith. On the other way, and more important, you don't even have pictures of a "wanna be" Ubuntu town in South Africa after all this years, everything was spent on the Ubuntu party and the site? You have projects in Brazil, in the UK, now in America, with people starting with very little, and you have nothing to show in South Africa, where it all started?
Tuesday 14 February 2017, 10:52:11
Deleted User
Thank you Nic G. I gave Tshepo the UBUNTU guy from Soweto a laptop and I'm helping him to get government funding for his project to help other people. His life was disrupted by the elections while he was a candidate and we have lost all hope of UBUNTU in RSA. He was just a photo prop for MT in his funding for UBUNTU - so disgusted wasting poor peoples time and getting there hopes up - all just for some pictures for funding.
Tuesday 14 February 2017, 16:13:07
Michael E. V. Knight
Remember the town Michael lives in has huge unemployment. Let's say 4,000 people there need to eat 3 - $1 meals a day. It would cost $12,000 a day to feed them while trying to get the projects going. Then who locally could afford to buy the products? Even local towns are mostly poor people. Getting out/off of the money system chains is not an easy thing to do.

The money he spent on politics has little to show other than seeds planted in peoples minds. He showed pictures of flyer/signs on poles.

In my area in the last 7 years i have easily spoken to over 700 people about this, they all say sounds good but will never work. Of course NOTHING works if WE don't WORK to make it happen. Does this stop me from promoting this way of life constantly and gifting to groups working on it, no. Frank in Colorado has been reading my posts for a while, they and other posts helped keep him motivated. He had to move to find a small town with friendly people that help each other. He found that in Walsenburg, Colorado. Listen to the Feb. USA Ubuntu call replay to hear how happy Frank is that he found that town.

Had he been depressed about it not happening where he was, then quitting, this Ubuntu town may have never been started. Someone already offered his group 15 acres of land to grow food on. There are 200 vacant homes there, he is in talks with the local govt about getting some of them for free or very little cost, to have ubuntu member families move there and for shared housing for single ubuntu members.

Find the horses (people) that resonate with YOU and back/support them any way you can. Even if it's a start up eco village that has nothing to do with Ubuntu. At least they will be working TOGETHER and SHARING, spending LITTLE money, helping to starve the money beast.

https://youtu.be/nXhxqUf7Uk8/…


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Tuesday 14 February 2017, 19:10:43
Deleted User
Well you can believe his tales but I believe this: /notes/melani-vermay/mr-tellingtales/10154975708292244
Wednesday 15 February 2017, 05:16:18
Deleted User
/notes/melani-vermay/mr-tellingtales/10154975708292244
Wednesday 15 February 2017, 05:16:28
Deleted User
After having to deal with him I believe Melani. I think he has divided people in RSA instead of uniting them. Ruined our chances. Does not affect you or your fundraising so good luck. with that in USA
Wednesday 15 February 2017, 05:18:54
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