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"There are only two mistakes one can make along the [...]

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"There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth;
not going all the way, and not starting." — Buddha
Paul Cook
"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." Chinese philosopher Lao (c 604 BC - c 531 BC) in the Tao Te Ching, chapter 64.
Monday 20 February 2017, 09:35:08
[deleted user]
"To travel to unknown lands involves losing sight of the familiar shore"
Monday 20 February 2017, 10:40:15
Paul Cook
That's nonsense. We are the sum of all of our knowledge; we do not lose our sight simply because we cannot 'see' in the literal sense; "We are the sum of all it is that we know." P. Be careful of false quotations too. The relationship between 'dragons' and 'toads' exists in our eastern histories...… Trying to impress others is not the intention of wisdom.
Monday 20 February 2017, 11:11:21
Paul Cook
Ignore the part about dragons and toads; that's from another convo - apologies...
Monday 20 February 2017, 11:12:15
[deleted user]
In all honesty, Paul Cook, although I've got a hunch that your mind isn't happy to read this, I think we shouldn't lose
sight of the practicalities of life and our organising of it and our dealing with it. That quote about leaving the familiar
shore is a metaphor and refers to the ability to step into the unknown without strings attached, so that we don't risk
using those strings to define the unknown, repeating an old game based on an old worn out paradigm.

Philosophical views about us being the sum of all, as I perceive it, belong in a different discussion and remain on an
entirely different level. I'm sure such a discussion is absent in conversations on shipyards I sure hope that your
philosophical views aren't a replacement for your practical dealings with life, with matter and form.

Professors of the old world, those characters in old movies and books, who moved absent mindedly through their
home were always guarded by wives or domestic guardians who took matters in hand regarding the practicalities.
Making sure that their employer ate 3 meals a day. Or paid their salary at the end of the month ;)

Certain philosophical views can become a very subtle deception, when dealing with matters of form is an issue.
They can easily persuade us to walk away from our responsibility to act and row our boat when leaving the familiar
shore. By itself it won''t move and peddles are a necessity, even while pondering the meaning and purpose of life
Monday 20 February 2017, 13:12:08
Paul Cook
In all honesty you are promoting backward thinking, your explanation is the OPPOSITE of the supposition posed in the quotation. I know very well how this works to confound people and I'm not buying it. That game is over, it's finished.

Get your thinking straightened out because this is the negative cycle that's leading to destructive influences. The Positive cycle is about to begin. Say what you mean, please do not try to confound others please; doing this is not helping.

My mind is centred, what you seek to impose upon me in terms of your values has no effect; I KNOW my own mind; but you seem to be confused in your own. Start unravelling the Gordion Knot instead of being part of the problem.

I'd say from what you've written that you are on a darker path to deception. Step into the Light and all will be revealed. Truth is economy and it shines. We have to disagree here only because your thinking is unsound; but that's okay; everyone is at different stages of learning and as we are all One it's about helping you to see that. I am trying to raise the collective thinking to a higher Awareness.

Have a Radiant Day and thanks for posting and discussing.

It's a good example for others to see how disconnected thinking is confounding them.
Monday 20 February 2017, 16:19:27
[deleted user]
Paul Cook, I'm not going into a long argument with you, to me your email shows me that your feathers are ruffled.
It's not about you or me being right, it's about exchanging views and sharing impressions, trying to understand each other.
I choose it to be transparent and open as much as possible, on my side of the communication. The idea that I should
try to impose something upon you is hilarious and a misreading of my message and the tone of your message is full
of pump and circumstance as I perceive it.

The last sentence in your message is a cheap attempt to include others in your argumentation, while making your point.
That's where you show your real colours on clearly ruffled feathers. Not my favourite colours. End of conversation.
Monday 20 February 2017, 22:09:00
Paul Cook
Frankly what you are saying is a load of crap; it's all backward thinking and nonsensical B/S. If this is the best you can do, then really you ought to start with the basics. I think a three year old could do better.

Everything you say is contradiction intended to confuse and prey on those who cannot think clearly and cogently and you are doing more harm than good. Flowery words do not maketh the man.

Conversations do not start and end when you say so; the arrogance is palpable and this kind of nonsense needs to be kicked into touch.

You fail to even understand the contradictory nature of your most basic response. Turning things on themselves achieves nothing; it just makes you look stupid. 'Losing sight' doesn't mean 'stepping into the unknown' these points are incompatible and you have failed to address a fundamental juxtaposition.
Monday 20 February 2017, 23:03:43
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