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Manchester, Greater Manchester
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beauty, transcendence, love ,and FREEDOM.***
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Friday 10 July 2015, 12:00:03
Misty B
Love this!
Friday 10 July 2015, 14:58:19
seb

try telling that to the Palestinians, those who are still alive with broken limbs, orphaned, dying from lack of medication. Of course they represent the inhumanity perpetrated everywhere on the globe - and what disappoints me so far is the enthusiasm with which some pursue abstractions and self preening philosophy but fail to comment on down to earth - concrete issues, and openly show concern about the world wide genocide taking place - particularly in Africa and ME, but mark my words, soon to visit 'you' on your/my doorstep. If we had a balanced 'crew' here, we would have had equal attention to philosophy (which is a pet subject of mine by the way), and practical issues and measures, but the posts speak for themselves. If my point offends ANYONE OF YOU - clearly this is the wrong place for me and people like me - and that is fine once I know - well its not fine actually, it's disappointing, but wasting time on sites where people seek diversion, personal comfort, and claim to be just 'waking up', running around like headless chickens and wondering what to do when the writings been on the wall for eons is a hiding to nothing. Where have you been all this time???? Did you not see the injustice all around since birth? Did it not make a bid enough dent in your personal world to make you question things? Are you a brilliant accommodater, sophist, apologist and conformist? Or did you simply have an Ostrich like approach to reality? It is such people, and worse that the social engineers and architects thrive on - the acquiescence to false authority, the lack of conscience or the ability to swallow it for personal benefit, I'm alright Jack attitiude, after all the Bengal famine happened a long way away didn't it? (I could add the deliberately engineered Potato Famine, the so called Green Revolution that was designed and succeeded in destroying Indian agriculture and lead and still leads to 100's of 1000's of farmers committing suicide, the Rwandan Massacre, The Haitian coup, exploitation, child/sex trafficking, directed by everyone favourite exceptionalists, as is teh ruin in Iraq, Syria, Palestine, more recently Africoms resource and power grabs in Africa, on and on and on and on these lists of violations go. But where are your kind thoughts for them? I don't read many. But I do read loads of tinkly twinkly new age hot air that wouldn't power a paper speedboat. Make no mistake, I think I have identified some 'doers' here too. I'm sure many of us listen to Richie Allen Show, Mike Rivero, and the ever entertaining and part usueful master of disinfo, Alex Jones, as well as look at David Icke's admonitions and articles. Max Igan like Ken O' Keefe and even the cerebral Gilad Atzmon expouse, expound, and detail the machinations of the dark psycopaths with every fiber of their beings. No one can claim to be ignorant of it all - NONSENSE - we all know serious shit is going down everywhere, souls are being crushed as I type, beautiful and noble people are being, starved, tortured and killed in their scores, and in a sense it could only have happened because we let it!!!!! An authentic empath, a true human being will always challenge injustice - and what's more, WE KNOW IT EXISTS innately. True, if you live in a perfect, isolated bubble, it may require some effort to look outside it first, but 99% of us don't. WE have to work at being ignorant - that is IGNORING THE OBVIOUS!!!! Well, if I've touch some nerves here - so be it, actually I truly hope I have for everyone's sake. Carry on with your 'UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF BEING' - or join us without ceremony, guile or fear. Much love to all of you who share the same passion - and those of you coming to terms with reality - but I say, the only way to instigate change, is TO INSTIGATE CHANGE. The hour is rather late Peace - Seb
Friday 10 July 2015, 16:14:05
Frank
..surely generalising and pinning your label on people you don't know is showing some of the ignorance about which you speak?
Friday 10 July 2015, 16:44:54
Frank
..surely generalising and pinning your label on people you don't know is showing some of the ignorance about which you speak?

Friday 10 July 2015, 16:44:54
seb
Got no time to waste brother Frank, there is no generalising in my script, I've been explicit and if you actually read it properly you'll know which part applies to you. The one's who are active and serious rather than take offence would be rallying the same cry and actually do. You confirm your position. Peace
Friday 10 July 2015, 16:50:54
seb
Frank. may I also respectfully request that you look carefully at the meaning of the word ignorance - you may gain another perspective by doing so, also it may help you constructively criticise and/or cross analyse. Peace
Friday 10 July 2015, 16:59:11
Frank
Ah...I see. I know what does and does not apply to me. Just as your assumption on my taking offence is incorrect then I can confirm I don't actually have or need a "position". One of the major barriers to people when trying to take a step in furthering what they see as a "unified cause" is the baggage. Baggage they don't have themselves yet are bombarded with from "real" activists...and their need to be recognised as "the real deal". Conform or you aint one of us....same shit, just from jeckyll.
Friday 10 July 2015, 16:59:27
Frank
Ah...I see. I know what does and does not apply to me. Just as your assumption on my taking offence is incorrect then I can confirm I don't actually have or need a "position". One of the major barriers to people when trying to take a step in furthering what they see as a "unified cause" is the baggage. Baggage they don't have themselves yet are bombarded with from "real" activists...and their need to be recognised as "the real deal". Conform or you aint one of us....same shit, just from jeckyll.

Friday 10 July 2015, 16:59:28
seb
So no offence taken then? What purpose does your post make, who does it serve? You're right about one thing, I have zero time for time-wasters! Peace
Friday 10 July 2015, 17:03:03
Frank
None whatsoever brother. The purpose of my post was because I empathise with those burdened with the "'UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF BEING" who may have missed the meeting when it was decided they are not worthy. How about....I think we agree, but if you perhaps changed "...or join us without ceremony, guile or fear. " adding the words "...of judgement". Ignorance? Is what leads people to believe they have a right to allocate others a "position". based on...hmm...assumption? peace x
Friday 10 July 2015, 17:30:16
seb
There was no meeting Frank. I do not know you, or anything about you, all I know is that you criticise me for criticising those who like to waste time talking instead of acting - even stating support for the oppressed is an act, today is International Al Quds day, (and if that does not concern you, we are definitely at odds), and I see nothing to signal support of their cause. There are many other points I made - but you seem to be ignoring them. You wish to argue with me but have said nothing to defend the oppressed, nothing constructive that I can see. I assume nothing about you, but clearly you assume that my criticisms apply to you - since I was explicit about what kind of people I am odds with is it safe to assume that you must be one of them - I say this as rhetoric, and care not one iota of curiosity about it. Again, what is your contribution here to a site designed specifically to bring people together to create change? If my ideas do not appeal, ignore them as you have so much of the specifics of my post and presumably all my previous ones! I cannot give you validation, nor invalidate you, as I do not know you. Only you can do that with your actions and your expressions. I have expressed what I believe and am passionate about and I care not what you think about it unless it makes you act toward real humane change. That's it. Take it or leave it, most of my posts pretty much indicate that. And as I said, if it is indeed your intention to waste time arguing rather than contribute the sites raison d'etre, and if you are in the majority - this site belongs to you - for I will have nothing to do with it. So far I think we have 10-25% doers, its hard to say for sure, and that's fine because some people have difficulties in motivation, are fearful, have no support et-cetera. I do understand that fear is for many, a real obstacle. I say fear can become a catalyst, I say with support (I guess that's what the groups are for) the fear can be quelled and even reversed.
Friday 10 July 2015, 17:53:58
seb
I have nailed my colours to the mast on many subjects, read through my posts if you want verification of this. Apart from criticising me you have not clarified what your purpose here is. Why, I wonder, is this this your modus operandi? Actually, I don't care. If you were serious, you would not be wasting time on trying to identify me as self righteous, you would be making valid, cogent salient points [about the subject matter which at least to me is social justice/true evolution] that transmits your conviction and perhaps the sense that it is built upon solid ground, i.e., past actions, experience, personal consciousness and perhaps sacrifices. I mention sacrifice not as an emotive device, but because it is impossible to make a legitimate claim to be conscientious and empathic without making sacrifices, and I refer specifically on the matter of fighting for justice for ones self and others, in whatever way possible. In my life, on my travels I have meet a lot of people who claim to be do gooders, most of them turned out to be bogus self interested self deluded, when it came to the crunch - but they did love to talk endlessly about mysticism, injustice, native Americans, aboriginal peoples, et cetera. Observation, research and life experience indicates that the majority are like this - for me this is a fact. I came to this site because I am inspired by Max Igan and the type. I feel very at home with their actions and passion - I feel their spirit although perhaps more evolved than mine, is not that dissimilar - and I know Max and the others I mentioned previously stress one thing above all - ACT ACT ACT - don't just talk - in this, I am 100% in accord, That's why I'm here. I don't suggest how people should act, or how much, each according to their own sense, all I know is this site is not for navel gazing, endless speculations, and self congratulations. Its about making things happen - if I'm wrong about that, then I'm in the wrong place for sure. And that is partly why I put the post up - as a barometer to see the quality and mettle of our people although some of them I am already certain are genuine - this is my judgement.
Friday 10 July 2015, 18:17:05
Frank
"I came to this site because I am inspired by Max Igan and the type"...me too. Like yourself I have spent many's year observing, researching, dare I say evolving? I may have made many sacrifices over the years, been both accepted and reviled by mystics and anarchists alike. Perhaps, I may conclude, it is due to my lack, or need, of a barometer. I'm with Max..."the project seeks ways to empower the individual and local communities by gathering together in ever-widening circles of focus and agreement". I'm here to be a part of something that hasn't advertised for "hardcore veterans with judgmental barometers" I shall participate, act and support in any way I feel I can...and not because I need to prove my mettle. ACT! away...but smash the barometer....Judge x *gazes at navel :)* x x
Friday 10 July 2015, 20:06:25
seb
The conspicuous absence of anything of substance speaks for itself- as does your continual need to defend - well, actually nothing from what I can see, although I note you like to quote others and use those fatal give away words, "me too". And you have repeated my own points almost ad verbatim -
Friday 10 July 2015, 20:15:42
seb
To be constructive - what are your thoughts on Palestine, Frank?
Friday 10 July 2015, 20:31:54
Frank
But you don't want or need substance...you want people to know how you feel about them, based on you being right, you don't care if people are offended or not....and you don't have time. Well...at the risk of another fatal give away...me neither. If you have anything of substance (other than it's REALLY bad out there...something should be done...by somebody)....I'm all ears. I reckon we are, geographically as well, not too far away from each other. Is there perhaps something we could collaborate on and ACT upon? We are currently a group of three people (here in Bootle)....five gets us a group right? I believe there are no rules, no leaders and my own contribution here, in this online group, has been minimal..but that's not to say I'm inactive. I'm hoping the site, when launched fully, becomes a base of shared knowledge and experience. A place to gather the tools, advice and support enough to make ACTING something that makes a difference, not just noise. The Full Circle Project as is...has no substance (that I am aware of) other than it has thus far brought together people from across the globe who are willing to help create something that we wouldn't mind being a part of. I am here because I DO care when people are offended, I am here because I know I am more than capable of acting yet am sick of acting...just because somebody else, with a shit load of current affairs updates, demands I should. Spawned by the audacity of people...saying positive things by way of introducing themselves, your rallying call stirred the same feeling I get when Bono clicks his fingers...and Desmond Tutu tells the masses they are shit if they don't get their hands in their pockets...just before Th'Edge tells it how it is..."on geetar". I am certain than MUCH more than 25% of the people here are a lot more savvy, a lot more experienced and knowledgeable than you or I...or Bono. I am also certain, without the aid of a barometer, that amongst the 75% you currently dismiss, there are people who once demanded ACTION...and know that "just ACT!" changes fuck all...
Friday 10 July 2015, 21:33:39
Frank
But you don't want or need substance...you want people to know how you feel about them, based on you being right, you don't care if people are offended or not....and you don't have time. Well...at the risk of another fatal give away...me neither. If you have anything of substance (other than it's REALLY bad out there...something should be done...by somebody)....I'm all ears. I reckon we are, geographically as well, not too far away from each other. Is there perhaps something we could collaborate on and ACT upon? We are currently a group of three people (here in Bootle)....five gets us a group right? I believe there are no rules, no leaders and my own contribution here, in this online group, has been minimal..but that's not to say I'm inactive. I'm hoping the site, when launched fully, becomes a base of shared knowledge and experience. A place to gather the tools, advice and support enough to make ACTING something that makes a difference, not just noise. The Full Circle Project as is...has no substance (that I am aware of) other than it has thus far brought together people from across the globe who are willing to help create something that we wouldn't mind being a part of. I am here because I DO care when people are offended, I am here because I know I am more than capable of acting yet am sick of acting...just because somebody else, with a shit load of current affairs updates, demands I should. Spawned by the audacity of people...saying positive things by way of introducing themselves, your rallying call stirred the same feeling I get when Bono clicks his fingers...and Desmond Tutu tells the masses they are shit if they don't get their hands in their pockets...just before Th'Edge tells it how it is..."on geetar". I am certain than MUCH more than 25% of the people here are a lot more savvy, a lot more experienced and knowledgeable than you or I...or Bono. I am also certain, without the aid of a barometer, that amongst the 75% you currently dismiss, there are people who once demanded ACTION...and know that "just ACT!" changes fuck all...

Friday 10 July 2015, 21:33:39
seb
Mmmh. Amongst other things, I really would like an answer to your feelings on Palestine? As for collaboration - I think we are at least for the present time, philosophically inimical to each another. I draw this conclusion from the fact that your need to 'speak out so far has only spanned criticism of me, and we don't even know each another. I do agree on one thing though, Bono is yet a shallow charlatan, if I've understood you correctly. If indeed you are a authentic advocate of social justice, spiritual even, I am sure your skills, energy and passion will find ample need in the circle you end up in. I hope you eventually see the merit in my devils advocate style, which is deployed whenever the situation appears to calls for it. You seem very sure on the qualities and qualifications of posters here, perhaps you are right, or - perhaps you are an optimist? Although this possibility seems incompatible with your treatment of my post You also have some hard opinions about me, but that's all to the good if you are getting fired up to do whatever it is you can do in this spiritual and material warfare that we, meaning 'the people' and the elites, find ourselves pitched in. There has and will continue to be ample time for rage - but rage should never trump rationale, or rather wisdom. I realise you could have taken the positive message from my little tirade which, by the way is genuine on behalf of myself and those I feel very close to, Palestinians, Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqi's, Afghanistani bomb victims, Yemeni's, many formerly Kievan, now Novo Russian advocates, to name but a few, basically it is against fascists and the money and power elite. You have shared your angst and disapproval of what you think I am, and what you think I am about - I hope this is cathartic and gives rise to some benefits you in some way - or perhaps you wish to help others on this site and protect them from the likes of me?. I think you clearly identified that we are very different beings at a psychological level - this too is probably good, but I must say that your judgments and style seem somewhat reactive, and now I mean no offence when I say this, they appear distinctly unconvincing and ill conceived. How can you know if I care what people think? If you are going on what I said this is a very selective approach since you refuted pretty much everything else I said. Indeed is not the logic or purpose of a rant to get a response? The response that I was inviting was others expressing similar frustrations and some positive affirmations for the Palestinians, but perhaps these are erroneous and ill conceived notions and desires of mine? I must confess I am comfortable with them, however, a rant, no matter how substantive by its very nature invites opposition. Here I think we have a common footing - grounds fertile with apparently incongruent perspectives a foundation for disagreement and yet the vague possibility of learning and being respectful. At least our exchange has clarified for me a few things. I hope you achieve your best and highest aspirations. As for the possibility of achieving nothing on my part, that is not an option I give myself in this or any other life if such exists. Peace
Saturday 11 July 2015, 00:00:29
Frank
Another "Devil's Advocate". ..spending time, he doesn't have, trying to solicit a reaction, he doesn't want. There is no rage here my friend....and I aint looking for catharsis.
Saturday 11 July 2015, 06:03:26
Frank
Another "Devil's Advocate". ..spending time, he doesn't have, trying to solicit a reaction, he doesn't want. There is no rage here my friend....and I aint looking for catharsis.

Saturday 11 July 2015, 06:03:27
seb
Your refusal twice now to comment on the Palestinian question and to use the opportunity to show sympathy for them is unwitting testimony to who you really are - and your real and nefarious purpose. I am sure there are other disinfo compatriots here - if you were as smart as you are vacuous I think you would stand more of a chance, but I give you no thrift - but shameless nature makes you
Saturday 11 July 2015, 08:22:30
seb
continue posting even though you have nothing to contribute but are info gathering for your masters - FC PARTICIPANTS BEWARE
Saturday 11 July 2015, 08:25:36
Frank
Good lord....
Saturday 11 July 2015, 16:04:19
Frank
Good lord....

Saturday 11 July 2015, 16:04:20
Frank
Thanks brother. I leave you in peace. By the way...sorry for taking time out to sleep and not get onto the Palestine thing as you demand. Anger has a habit of clouding issues, sometimes a well perceived point can be lost and good overshadowed by what is little more than resentment manifest in abject contradiction. It's taken me 50+ years to know myself, it no longer shocks me when people, confronted with calm, kind of fear it. Angst is cool. Labels, accusations and, as is always the case, the method, by which some people proceed has no alternative other than to manifest in the way you have chosen. Sadly I cannot, nor do I wish to, descend....I *REALLY* do not have the time. I am not here to be judged, nor am I here to play "top activist". Why is it that when somebody like you doesn't get their own way...they cry...and then accuse. It's all very bizarre. I'm off to watch my father come ever closer to death from cancer...if you take one thing from our exchange then take the fact that "FC PARTICIPANTS BEWARE" because I am "gathering info for the masters" made me chuckle for the first time in quite a while.
Saturday 11 July 2015, 16:27:42
Frank
Thanks brother. I leave you in peace. By the way...sorry for taking time out to sleep and not get onto the Palestine thing as you demand. Anger has a habit of clouding issues, sometimes a well perceived point can be lost and good overshadowed by what is little more than resentment manifest in abject contradiction. It's taken me 50+ years to know myself, it no longer shocks me when people, confronted with calm, kind of fear it. Angst is cool. Labels, accusations and, as is always the case, the method, by which some people proceed has no alternative other than to manifest in the way you have chosen. Sadly I cannot, nor do I wish to, descend....I *REALLY* do not have the time. I am not here to be judged, nor am I here to play "top activist". Why is it that when somebody like you doesn't get their own way...they cry...and then accuse. It's all very bizarre. I'm off to watch my father come ever closer to death from cancer...if you take one thing from our exchange then take the fact that "FC PARTICIPANTS BEWARE" because I am "gathering info for the masters" made me chuckle for the first time in quite a while.

Saturday 11 July 2015, 16:27:42
starfall
Te be as blunt as I dare, without enticing a similar back-lash, I don't think this is an effective place from which to protest or admonish others with your personal adjudication. There are countless ways in which one can show solidarity with a particular cause, many of which have been utilised for centuries. Please be mindful that some of us have spent a long time in a state of helpless condemnation against the system, and like myself have made great personal sacrifices to very little avail. Which is why Max and the others are working diligently to set this platform up. It is a 'connector', if you like. A place for networking with those who share your intentions and motivations and hopefully to enable a collaboration. The least helpful thing I can imagine, is for a newly 'conscious' individual to arrive and feel they need to pick up a stick and start bashing public officials around the head in order to feel 'accepted' by other members. This isn't a competition to determine who can revolt loudest or to flex their solidarity-biceps, it's an alternative to that very notion. I will chance my arm and dare say that the majority of folk came here because of their disgust at the treatment of brothers and sisters around the world, must we soapbox our views with every post? Peace always
Saturday 11 July 2015, 20:35:52
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